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posted by [personal profile] connielane at 06:28am on 15/07/2006
Still working on a full Pirates post, but I saw the movie again last night, and I wanted to address a complaint that I've seen in several places. It may seem like splitting hairs, but I see the situation so differently that I don't get this complaint at all.


No, there are not two "hamster wheels" in Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. There are two devices which roll in some way with characters inside them, but they don't strike me as similar. In fact, when I first heard someone mention the "two hamster wheels" I didn't get what they were talking about at first because it never occurred to me to compare the bone cage and the mill wheel.

First, the bone cage only rolls for a few seconds before it stops and Will et al "lift it like a lady's skirt" and run with it like it's a Flinstone car. They've also spent a good deal of movie minutes before that swinging it and climbing with it. All the mill wheel does is roll. From the moment Will and Norrington step on it and it dislodges till the moment it (finally!) stops in the water and tips over. This lasts for several minutes and is a much larger piece of the action sequence than the five seconds of rolling that the bone cage does.

If there's any comparison to be made, I'd say the cage rolling is kind of a teaser for that extended rolling mill wheel sequence. If it were a line of dialogue, a screenwriter might call it a "whisper" scene - where a line is brought up early and then again later for a payoff. But then again, maybe Ted & Terry didn't see any similarity between the cage and the wheel either.

I'm not trying to say that the film doesn't have its flaws, but I just don't think this is one of them.
Mood:: 'anal retentive' anal retentive
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posted by [identity profile] redwood7.livejournal.com at 01:03pm on 15/07/2006
I think this is all about perception. They still strike me as too similar. I get that they are somewhat different, but... yeah. Not getting over this one. Sorry.
 
posted by [identity profile] connielane.livejournal.com at 01:17pm on 15/07/2006
Okay. :P
 
posted by [identity profile] mrs-bombadil.livejournal.com at 02:53pm on 15/07/2006
I think this is all about perception. They still strike me as too similar. I get that they are somewhat different, but...

I was a whiner too. :D

Your perception comment is exactly right for me as well. Maybe it's just looking at circular devices with people inside them for those spans of time, whether there is much the same that happens or not.

It's not a large complaint and I suspect it'll bother me less upon repeat viewing, but there you have it.
 
posted by [identity profile] redwood7.livejournal.com at 06:49pm on 15/07/2006
Well, I refuse to be called a whiner on this. It's certainly not an uncommon comment to make, at least within my group of friends. Almost everyone I've seen it with or talked to about it has mentioned it (without prompting). During the mill wheel scene (look! I'm using the correct terminology, Pam ;P) on my second viewing, my Mom of all people even whispered, "haven't we seen this already?" True, we hadn't really. Pam points out the legitimate differences, but I don't think it's a totally irrational impression to get, especially as a first one.

It was definitely less bothersome the second time around. A couple of my other negative impressions held up better (I still feel a discernible drag at the beginning, and the cannibal island stuff will probably always bother me), but my love for the humor and the story probably doubled. Watching these movies really reminds me of reading HP books in that they only improve on repeat viewing, even if you have that chapter you'll occasionally skip over (::coughhagridstalecough::). :)

 
posted by [identity profile] connielane.livejournal.com at 06:55pm on 15/07/2006
Well, I'm certainly not calling you a whiner. :)

Watching these movies really reminds me of reading HP books in that they only improve on repeat viewing, even if you have that chapter you'll occasionally skip over (::coughhagridstalecough::)

True, on all counts. :P
 
posted by [identity profile] redwood7.livejournal.com at 07:09pm on 15/07/2006
Oh, no worries. if I thought you were I would've used this icon. :P
 
posted by [identity profile] angua9.livejournal.com at 07:55pm on 15/07/2006
Internet threats! That's almost a lawnmower!
 
posted by [identity profile] connielane.livejournal.com at 08:09pm on 15/07/2006
*calls Lumos security to alert them that I've been threatened with a forklift*
 
posted by [identity profile] redwood7.livejournal.com at 08:33pm on 15/07/2006
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I'd love to see them scan the registration list for "Lift, Fork."
 
posted by [identity profile] mrs-bombadil.livejournal.com at 08:55pm on 15/07/2006
Hee, I was mostly just calling myself a whiner tongue-in-cheek over what is really a nitpick rather than an 'issue'. It's not something I thought about afterwards and decided to be irritated by; it was a reaction I had while watching it, like the one you describe your mom as having.
 
posted by [identity profile] tartanboxers.livejournal.com at 01:36pm on 15/07/2006
Personally, I didn't see how it was so similar. With the bone cage, I was thinking it could be part of a ride somehow -- well, the swinging part, anyway.
 
posted by [identity profile] alphabet26.livejournal.com at 01:59pm on 15/07/2006
Yeah, I'm with you on this 100%.
 
posted by [identity profile] prongssr.livejournal.com at 02:05pm on 15/07/2006
I never even made the connection that those two devices were similar. They are also used in different circumstances (flight vs. fight). I'm surprised that someone would complain about that.
 
posted by [identity profile] miss-eponine.livejournal.com at 02:17pm on 15/07/2006
I never noticed that they were similar at all. Although now I'm going to think of the bone cage-ball as one of those giant hamster balls.
 
posted by [identity profile] psychic-serpent.livejournal.com at 03:22pm on 15/07/2006
It never occurred to me to complain about those things resembling "hamster wheels" (one's more like a "hamster ball"). I do think they're incredibly similar--although not exactly the same, as you pointed out--but I also don't think either is a reason to criticize the film. I though both were very cool and fun, especially the dueling that continued on the water wheel after it started rolling!
 
posted by [identity profile] angua9.livejournal.com at 05:48pm on 15/07/2006
OMG, it's a motif! Ted and Terry are saying we're all like hamsters, caught in our hamster balls (and hamster wheels, which are, as you point out, completely different), thinking we have free will (Free Will!) when in reality we're completely constrained by our circumstances (well, in the hamster wheel. In the hamster ball -- which is completely different -- we do get somewhere, but we can't truly appreciate it because there's a wall of solid plastic between us and wherever we are and we can't get under the couch and hide there).


God, this movie is deep!

 
posted by [identity profile] connielane.livejournal.com at 05:56pm on 15/07/2006
Just for clarification, I never said anything was a hamster ball/wheel. I called the first "rolling" (for 5 seconds, at least) device a bone cage and the second rolling device a mill wheel. Which is, errr, what they literally are. A bone cage and a mill wheel are two very different things in my mind, but there seems to be more than one opinion on that. *shrugs*
 
posted by [identity profile] angua9.livejournal.com at 06:18pm on 15/07/2006
I didn't initially see either of them as hamster-related, either, but once someone said the word, I can't banish the comparison from my mind. (and the bone cage actually rolled twice -- once before they ran, and once after)
 
posted by [identity profile] connielane.livejournal.com at 06:28pm on 15/07/2006
That nanosecond before they fell into the water? :P

Bottom line, I guess, is that I didn't really even see the cage as a rolling device, per se, because they did so many other things with it. So the comparison just seems strange to me.

Oh, and DUDE! I've noticed this every time I've watched it, but I keep forgetting to mention it. Did you notice the Iguana when Jack et al were going up river to Tia Dalma's?
 
posted by [identity profile] redwood7.livejournal.com at 06:52pm on 15/07/2006
Ooo! Oooo! I noticed that! Nice cameo, Susan. :P
 
posted by [identity profile] connielane.livejournal.com at 06:56pm on 15/07/2006
True! Visible enough without being too intrusive. An excellent warmup for her appearance in HBP. ;)
 
posted by [identity profile] redwood7.livejournal.com at 06:59pm on 15/07/2006
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Do you think anyone with the SAG uses "Iguana"?
 
posted by [identity profile] angua9.livejournal.com at 07:53pm on 15/07/2006
Did you notice the Iguana when Jack et al were going up river to Tia Dalma's?

I did notice! Or, at least, I noticed the first time I saw it, but not the two subsequent times.


Where's the review gone?

 
posted by [identity profile] redwood7.livejournal.com at 08:35pm on 15/07/2006
Where's the review gone?

It got blow up in the third act.
 
posted by [identity profile] stereo-m.livejournal.com at 08:50pm on 15/07/2006
I didn't even notice that, to be honest. The similarity. Now that I've read this I can see how one could've thought so, but, um, I'm slow, so. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] lilac-bearry.livejournal.com at 04:24am on 16/07/2006
*closes eyes for spoilers*

Whee! Summit in a week! My house is totally not set up yet but who cares!!! I've got central air!!!!!1

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